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Erik Szpyra
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I have been contacting every business on this list that supports SOPA, as published by the Judiciary Committee.

I am canceling any business I do with them and moving it to their competition until they see the "light" (aka until it hurts their business..)

I urge all of you who feel the same way to do the same.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76259944/SOPA-Supporters
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Move the servers to another country?

Insanely expensive, and even then, copyright-holders in the United States could still issue cease-and-desist motions and threaten international lawsuits, and have the mass of United States economic power and treaty law bludgeoning the new host country's legal system on those copyright-holders' behalf.

The pressure to cave pre-emptively on all potential fronts (rather than be flooded with aggressive lawsuits) would be huge.


I also see the ruling could give the U.S government a chance to block IP addresses and DNS URLs. This is pretty horrible. Add the content in the NDAA, and you could possibly end up with Aldie getting thrown in prison somewhere down the road. This is not fun.
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loki_tbc wrote:
I have been contacting every business on this list that supports SOPA, as published by the Judiciary Committee.

I am canceling any business I do with them and moving it to their competition until they see the "light" (aka until it hurts their business..)

I urge all of you who feel the same way to do the same.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76259944/SOPA-Supporters


Another reason to avoid Sony's products. Nothing new to me, just shows I don't need to change habits.

Damn, I guess I must discontinue my Visa card too.
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Thats what the act creators wanted to do.
But in practice... not going to happen. Sometimes you gotta be happy of not living in N. America. cool


It has already happened to DaJaz1.com under the PROTECT-IP act.
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I read this On Wikipedia.
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Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, the Wikimedia Foundation,[82] and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders,[83] the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and Human Rights Watch.[84][85]


Does anyone here think that those companies will stop accepting money from the companies on this list http://www.scribd.com/doc/76259944/SOPA-Supporters for advertising?

Something tells me they won't. They should stop ads for anyone on that list. Google and Yahoo would render those companies dead on the internet if they stopped ads by them. Let them see what an internet blacklist would look like....Stop linking to their sites. Just give them a few weeks of it to taste what an internet blacklist would feel like. Stop linking to members of congress who support the bill. I am all for net neutrality but a good taste of being blacklisted and cut off from the world would help these companies to see that it is not good for business to stifle the net.
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I'm all for stopping piracy. For the most part almost all media I want is available via a legal pay option.

Even though it's Congress we are talking about I am still SHOCKED that they see no issue with trampling all over the 1st Amendment.

On a lighter note here is my favorite part of the entire Bill

For the sake of argument, let's say that I hate Michael Jackson. I therefore want to hurt/harm him as much as possible. I upload one of his songs, say PYT, to a file sharing network. As currently written I would get a 5 year jail sentence for that one song, but yet only get 4 years in jail if I actually MURDER Michael Jackson.

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Indeed.... I submitted a file of a cardlist for one game. BGG took it down on the request of the publisher. However, alot of images for that game still contain images of such cards, and even though the card list had reason to come down, I really think it makes the site much better to leave those images of cards on, trying the "fair use" angle FWIW in this case.

On the plus side, pictures of cats and "exploited children" are still fine, although the BGG community did see that alot of the latter aren't accepted much anymore
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Thank you for the links Aldie. I've written to my representatives.

I've seen a bit of discussion on this thread about game companies threatening to take down BGG over pictures/files/etc. I suppose that is a risk, but as I understand SOPA, game companies may not even be the ones making a copyright infringement claim. A brief look at this thread shows many avatar images that likely have not been licensed, including those owned by myself and several admins. Several microbadges also make use of logos or images which are likely violating copyright. Of course, people choose their avatars and badges on this and other sites to express a bit about themselves by showing off the things they love and don't intent to harm any rights holder, but nonetheless, these images could be used under SOPA as part of a take down request.

It would be easy enough for me and other users to change our avatars to only include original or public domain images. However, there are thousands of users who are not active who may have a copyrighted image in their avatar or microbadges. How do you get users who haven't signed in for a year to change their avatar? It would be easier to just disable avatars and microbadges completely rather than dig through the thousands of them looking for images that may not be properly licensed. Are these things essential to enjoy BGG and other online forums? Of course not, but they do help us recognize users and give us a bit more personality than a username like chansen2794 can convey.

I'm not arguing that it is right or wrong to include these images in your avatar or microbadges. (However, based on the geekmails I've received over the years, I think there is a case to be made that my avatar has done far more to promote the New Pornographers than hurt them.) What I am saying is that it would be incredibly stupid to go after BGG or other online forums because of them. If copyright owners felt strongly about avatars, they should take their complaint to the individual user. BGG itself should not be held under any sort of threat just because I wanted to express my love of Tron in my avatar. Maybe it's unrealistic to worry about this, but if it is even possible for BGG to be threatened by my avatar, then SOPA is too broad.
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I wish I could do something, but I guess living outside the USA makes it impossible for me to do anything at all. Good luck stopping that horrible soup... I mean, "SOPA".


Even in the USA it's unlikely our legislators will listen to their constituents over their campaign contributors. (I've tried in the past, and was answered with corporate rhetoric.) But I would urge you to speak out anyway — perhaps try to get your own government involved. Let them know how this "USA" law will have a negative impact on the entire world.
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Move the servers to another country?


Note that this law anticipates that and also requires the DNS services and search engines to remove any reference to infringing sites. For example, if a company, say Games Workshop, felt that some materials of theirs were being illegally distributed through the site they could go to court. There they would argue that BGG was facilitating distribution of copyrighted materials illegally. At this point they could probably even point to all sorts of other material on the site that they felt was copyright of other companies, simply to bolster their case. It would be up to BGG to hire lawyers and defend the case if so desired.

Should the judge agree that the site reached some threshold of being too much in the business of facilitating distribution of the material it would be blacklisted. It does not matter where the servers exist in the world, all references to BGG would need to be removed from every DNS and search engine result. Quite simply, you could no longer get to BGG from the United States.

In theory the site could continue to exist outside the U.S., but the founders could no longer run it and more than half of the user base could no longer access it. I've contacted my representatives a few times already about this. Unfortunately they still hold the view that the law wouldn't be used this way. But, I see no protections to ensure this, and without those protections it is simply bad law.

Please contact your representatives and senators, and keep contacting them. These battles, unfortunately, last years. So, you'll need to keep an eye on this and similar legislation for many cycles until the 'old guard' of copy right holders realizes that while they may have identified the right problem, they have come up with the wrong solution.
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I'm going to ask my congressmen to read Boldrin & Levine's "Against Intellectual Monopoly". If nothing else, getting through this 300-page book should at least delay the vote for several weeks.
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I'll admit that I haven't read the linked documents. But if the point of them is to clamp down on copyright protection, I'm fine with it.

I've never downloaded illegal music or videos and have no desire to. If the wording is too broad, that'll get fixed with pushback after the fact or, more likely, complete apathy from copyright holders. I really don't see a bunch of game producers getting pissed off that a box image is shown on BGG. Really, now.
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Randy Cox wrote:
I really don't see a bunch of game producers getting pissed off that a box image is shown on BGG. Really, now.


Do the letters GW ring any bells?
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Randy Cox wrote:
I'll admit that I haven't read the linked documents. But if the point of them is to clamp down on copyright protection, I'm fine with it.

I've never downloaded illegal music or videos and have no desire to. If the wording is too broad, that'll get fixed with pushback after the fact or, more likely, complete apathy from copyright holders. I really don't see a bunch of game producers getting pissed off that a box image is shown on BGG. Really, now.


I'm all for copyright protection. But that doesn't make this hideous act right. In fact, hopefully this is the very push back you are referring to. I'm not a fan of passing bad law on the theory that it will be changed if it actually turns out to be what it is.

And certainly we've experienced that not all publishers take the same attitude as to when to send in the lawyers.
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The grievous error everyone seems to make (or some deliberately espouse) is to believe that politicians are somehow complicit in the money-grubbing of major corporations.


A graver mistake is assuming they aren't. Are you really that naive?


No. Are you really so gullible to believe the media that says they are?
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You know, they came for these things long ago, this act was put in motion the second the MPAA went after people for piracy.

I'm not saying piracy is wrong, I'm saying the actions they've taken to curb piracy has hurt the consumer whilst not really curbing piracy.

DRM, constant online...everything these companies push...and the more people support these things, gives these companies more validity when they bring things like SOPA before a congressman and say...hey...we need MORE power to infringe on other people.

I say that there should be an interest in the people's rights rather than a corporations right, and such things that are already ON THE BOOKS need to get tossed out the window. The businesses already have the rights to hack your machine and control your privacy...and people are only NOW starting to notice?

This site could already probably be closed down by an overzealous corporation...and if they couldn't afford legal fees...permanently if the corporation made it run out of money.

It's not as drastic as SOPA...but these things already exist. Why is it that it takes something like this SOPA to make people start to look around and notice?

I buy the things that I am needing (for example, I bought the X-men arcade game last night on the PSN...though I could probably easily d/l it off the net somewhere for free and actually have a hardcopy I could put on a computer anytime I wanted...and from somewhat semi legal sites even...I still bought what I assume is a legal copy from PSN for my PS3 for $10 and all of a 48 MB download) even when I think the prices are slightly ridiculous in relation...but that doesn't mean I enjoy being leaned over the rail hit from the rear by the mega-corps, nor that I enjoy what they've been doing for years.

So yes, I'm against SOPA, have been for a while...but then it's felt rather lonely in these issues for a long time too...

It's odd to have people rail against you that you are defending pirates...when in truth you have nothing to do with them and are only trying to defend the consumer's and citizen rights that these mega-corps have beeing lobbying (and successfully) at taking away slowly in your governments.

It's like when they came for others you didn't say anything, didn't care...or even cheered them on...but when they come for you?

Hopefully this doesn't pass...it's so ridiculous that I don't think it will...at this point...maybe it will in 10 years.

But hopefully people will wake up eventually to the fact that even if this one bill doesn't pass...these corporations will keep on coming...and coming...and coming...and do the same thing bit by bit, slowly if this doesn't suceed until they accomplish the same thing unless people start fighting back...and that means more than just contesting this ONE bill.
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I've never downloaded illegal music or videos and have no desire to.


Are you sure about that?

I obviously don't know you, so it's certainly possible, but nearly everyone I know who uses the Internet has done this at least once via YouTube - quite inadvertently, in many cases. Any copyrighted song or video posted to YouTube by someone other than the copyright owner is part of the scope of this.

I haven't bootlegged anything in many years, but I still pull things up on YouTube from time to time, and if I read this law correctly, that makes me just as much of a criminal as any hardened torrenter.
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Intellectual property is theft.


And so it starts.
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I don't have the link handy but the white house site has an online petition against the bill. I've signed it and suggest others do too.
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This the one?

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/veto-sopa-b...
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Please give me a Civic lesson.....Veto works how? (And yes I am being serious if this is not the thread to discuss this matter then direct me to a place to read about it) Been too long since school.
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If the bill were passed by Congress, the President can veto it. The veto can be overridden by Congress with a 2/3 vote, AFAIR.
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Thank you for posting this. I've contacted my elected representatives.
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loki_tbc wrote:
I have been contacting every business on this list that supports SOPA, as published by the Judiciary Committee.

I am canceling any business I do with them and moving it to their competition until they see the "light" (aka until it hurts their business..)

I urge all of you who feel the same way to do the same.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76259944/SOPA-Supporters


And this is something that people around the world can do. Letting the businesses know how displeased you are will help. While one or two complaints will be shrugged off, thousands of emails, phone calls and letters will be noticed. How many BGG members are there? ninja
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