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SUGGESTION: Artscow.com Cosmetic Purses

With TMG's new and very popular pay-what-you-want micro game Kickstarters, a frequent question and stretch goal suggestion that continually comes up in comments is "can we get a bag?" or "can you maybe do a bag as an add-on?"

Unfortunately, in order for these projects to be possible (as low as $3 for game + international shipping!), the components and fulfillment must be kept to an absolute minimum. One tiny size fits all.

A solution that has worked for some of us is getting customized items made from Artscow.com in China. With coupons you can get these items with worldwide shipping for very reasonable prices. Here are some of the things that I have made for my personal use when many of us started doing this for Coin Age:

I am providing here some of the links to pre-loaded designs that you may use. Also, all the images are in my personal gallery and you are welcome to use them. The 4" x 7" COSMETIC BAG is the larger white bag in the image here with the TMG logo and is ideal for holding the two card-based micro games (Templar Intrigue and Coin Age), but you probably only want one of the tile based games in those (Burgoo and This Town...).

New Customer Coupon Code: Z099PLAYHXJGR
$0.99 with free worldwide shipping, $3.99 each additional

Returning Customer Code: ZNYSU5G
Cost: $1.99 Cosmetic bags with free international shipping, each additional $4.99/each


Also, before uploading any of the links previously, I checked with Michael at TMG to see if he was okay with my sharing these. He is. The goal is enjoying the games and sharing storage ideas. Feel free to post your ideas below. I know I'd love to see photos once we start receiving some of the little gems.

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Templar Intrigue

- Templar Front, Templar Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/-6mgepvse29sn

- Templar Front, TMG Logo Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/gwerxjaqhzh5

- Templar Front, Coin Age Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/q3cjpyusxo9m




Coin Age

- Coin Age Front, Coin Age Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/-c8g5vtm9k9j3

- Coin Age Front, TMG Logo Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/5fqa6stwasic

- Templar Front, Coin Age Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/q3cjpyusxo9m




Burgoo

- Burgoo Front, Burgoo Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/-9e3nz05bgvxo

- Burgoo Front, TMG Logo Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/6s1j70uyza5h

- Burgoo Front, Coin Age Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/-z799jobdru0l




This Town Ain't Big Enough for the 2-4 of Us

- This Town Front, This Town Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/-5phqfdvkg8xl

- This Town Front, TMG Logo Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/5vs5cc8s0s16

- This Town Front, Coin Age Back -- http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/v2p26m76ltzx


If you want to hold more than one copy of the tile games (Burgoo & This Town...), I would recommend the larger bags. Here's are some samples and direct links using an image for This Town...

THIS TOWN AIN'T BIG ENOUGH... - 8" x 5" - COSMETIC BAG (MEDIUM)
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/m1r2hkchkya2

THIS TOWN AIN'T BIG ENOUGH... - 9" x 6" - COSMETIC BAG (LARGE)
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/t22cyoqa8rjq
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Oh wow - these are so cool! I immediately ordered 5 of them! Thank you so much for making these and putting them up for all of us to enjoy!! Suuuuuper cool!!
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Snapped up a few!
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Added to [geeklist=169099][/geeklist] geeklist - wouldn't let me add as a thread to the geeklist, so added it another way.

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I'm glad these have worked for people, but if I can find some of the other suggestions (mostly made in the comments during the Coin Age campaign) I will try to put links to those here as well.

I'll include information on the coin purses I got from Artscow shortly. They are adorable, but I haven't found a reasonable coupon for them so they can be quite expensive (all things considered).

Please include any ideas you have or come up with on your own. I am sure there will be many more ideas and solutions once we start getting these little gems later in the Spring or Summer.

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here are some links to amazon listings for the boxes i suggested, they come in all kinds of sizes from 15-cards to 100-cards or more.

25ct - (set of 6 for about $7) - http://smile.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-25ct-Snap-Hinged/dp/B00AD8...

35ct (set of 8 for about $12) http://smile.amazon.com/Crystal-Hinged-Plastic-Trading-Stora...

Those are both hinged boxes, that can be a bit fragile in the hinge but are probably still the route I am going to go.

Here is a 2-piece nesting-style box that comes in similar sizes, There really aren't any parts to break on these, but they are generally 2-3x more expensive per unit (although if you are looking to only get 1 or 2, overall cost might be the same or less than a multi-pack of the hinged kinds)
http://smile.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-25count-2-Piece-Plastic/dp...


Also, please note that the size of these *might* or might not fit most card games (might be just a bit too small). I'll try to remember to report back when the micro games start rolling out.

I can report that neither the Dungeon roll cards nor the DR rule book fit in the hinged case I have (it is probably the 25 or 35 count one, but I am not certain which). The case, does however fit inside the Dungeon Roll box, so I put my xp coins in it so keep from having them mixed up with the treasures. Interestingly, the cards in the Crash Games microgame "Where For Art Thou Romeo" *DO* fit, with room to spare.

Guessing that TMG is more likely to keep its cards the same size across games (any TMG folks care to chime in on this), the hinged boxes (and therefore likely also the 2-piece boxes) might not work for the card based micro games, but they still might work for games like Burgoo and This Town Aint....


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Thanks Becky, I like that those are clear!

I don't recall the exact card size for the TMG micro games yet, but we can ask.
 
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So there I was thinking that the coin purses, nice as they are, were much more expensive that the 4" x 7" cosmetic bags. I had found them to run just under $10 (includes shipping and the standard 35% off coupon mentioned on the site). Well, I found a great coupon today with a little digging on the Facebook page. This coupon was just announced on Feb 4th right as the company returned from Chinese New Year. So this is hot off the presses:

4 MINI COIN PURSES - $9.99 with free world-wide shipping!

Coupon Code: MINICOINPURSE4


DETAIL: Offer is valid until February 28, 2014. Free shipping is automatically applied to the order when using this promo code at checkout.

Zoinks! The dimensions and requirements of the smaller coin purses (4.5" x 2.75") were totally different than the cosmetic bags -- so I had to redo and simplify all of the previous designs. While I'm happy with how these designs came out, I am very cautious about the small size of these coin purses.

WARNING: If you're putting Coin Age in these don't expect to be able to sleeve your cards. I have two coin purses of this size and they were not big enough to easily fit sleeved standard cards without a struggle. This and price is why I recommended the larger cosmetic purses in the first place. An unsleeved Dungeon Roll card (70mm x 95mm) could be limbo'd into the coin purse, but it's tricky and I just didn't feel good about it. The 4" x 7" cosmetic bags above will absolutely work. Not sure about these. Therefore, order these at your own risk since we haven't seen how big anything is yet.





Templar Intrigue
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/coin-purse/ltvbddw5czt1







Coin Age
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/coin-purse/9w0gcwgfzq6g
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/coin-purse/cle4ky7b4ei0 (with TMG logo)






Burgoo
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/coin-purse/2ai0olpb7n39
UPDATE: DO NOT RECOMMEND - TOO SMALL (pictures below)





This Town Ain't Big Enough for the 2-4 of Us
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/coin-purse/ufgqjuyk5x0p
UPDATE: DO NOT RECOMMEND - TOO SMALL (pictures below)
NOTE: Would hold the mini expansions/scoreboard inside a larger bag if you're into that type of thing




Edits: added TMG logo to Coin Age back, warnings, and pointed out there are pictures below.
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I'm really struggling here. I can't decide which ones to go with. Ideally I would like a separate bag for each game, but I'm just not sure the coin purses are big enough. For any of the games really... They look amazing though. I'm really torn.
 
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Ok, here's a visual comparison of the Artscow.com custom cosmetic bag (small) vs. the mini coin purse:


My thinking:

- Templar Intrigue would probably work well in a coin purse
- Coin Age would work probably work well in a coin purse
- Burgoo would be better in a cosmetic bag
- This Town Ain't Big Enough... needs a cosmetic bag.


Notes:

- none of this speculating considers the rules in the bags

- everything should work well in the cosmetic bags, there is even a little internal pouch in the cosmetic bag that would carry Coin Age coins well (keeping them apart from the cards).

- I probably should have paired a card game (Templar/Coin Age) with a tile game (Burgo/This Town...) on the fronts and backs of the cosmetic bags. No big deal. The art files are freely available in my gallery if you want to build your own combos.

- the larger Dungeon Roll cards (70mm x 95mm) fit in coin purse, but it was tight

- standard cards sleeved in Fantasy Flight premiums sleeves (66mm x 94mm) were also a tight fit in the coin purse.
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Pictures are better than words:


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Do you think a small cosmetic bag will hold both burgoo and this town?
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Good question, Sanders.

I think 48 Carcassonne tiles will be roughly the same volume as those two micro games. The Carcassonne tiles would probably not rest as well inside the bag because the Burgoo tiles should be a little more flexible (since they're smaller). If 48 Carcassonne tiles works in a cosmetic bag, it could work.

Let me check...

The first time I checked, I just put the 48 Carcassonne tiles in the cosmetic bag and it seemed to work so so (okay, but not great), it could clearly handle the volume.

But when I got back to my desk, I pulled out two plastic bags and put 24 tiles in each. Squeezing the two baggies into the bag proved difficult and it ended up looking like a pound of sausage that you'd buy at the grocery store. I could barely close the bag. I lean away from Burgoo and This Town... working in the same bag. And will make a note above that it's not an ideal pairing.

This cosmetic bag ain't necessarily big enough for more than one micro game...
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If I have all the Carcassonne expansions, how many cosmetic bags would I need. And how many coin purses would I need for all the meeples?
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frumpish wrote:
If I have all the Carcassonne expansions, how many cosmetic bags would I need. And how many coin purses would I need for all the meeples?
One of the nice things about investigating storage solutions related to these TMG micro games is having a limited list of components with which to work. I wish you luck with estimating your needs based on the images I have provided above for games outside the TMG micro games, because I would like to keep these threads focused on those games. My own urgency in working on this today was that I felt like I'd made a bad recommendation that would waste people's money and I wanted to do right by what I was sharing with the community.

But since I had everything out and looked into the tiles today -- for your own math I would use the following: mini coin purses hold up to 15 Carcassonne tiles comfortably, 25 max. I thought the cosmetic bags were comfortably full at about 30 Carcassonne tiles, 65 max. (Max = struggle to close bag; Comfortable = the Goldilocks equilibrium, looks full without looking overfull, you'd show-it-off, gift-worthy.)

 
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Bought a few of these. Thanks!

I didn't have a chance to read the whole thread so if this has been asked, sorry


Lots of people are buying two copies of the "This Game Ain't Big Enough" to make longer games. Do you think 2 games will fit in one bag?
 
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Laporbo wrote:
Lots of people are buying two copies of the "This Game Ain't Big Enough" to make longer games. Do you think 2 games will fit in one bag?
Everything is speculation until we have the actual components, but I'll make this a quick answer:

- Yes, if your only requirement is "Will the bag close?" and you co-mingle the tiles. (FUNCTIONALITY)

- No, if your top priority is that it look nice and inviting ... and you keep the games in separate baggies. (AESTHETICS)

All the possible answers are between those two extremes.


For multiple copies of a single game in one bag, I offer the following solution as it appears the new customer coupon applies to these too (but you can only use that coupon once and would need a second account to do that again if you've already used it!):

8" x 5" - COSMETIC BAG (MEDIUM)
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/m1r2hkchkya2

9" x 6" - COSMETIC BAG (LARGE)
http://www.artscow.com/gallery/cosmetic-bag/t22cyoqa8rjq
 
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Those cosmetic bags are really cool.

Just wanted to mention that as an alternative, The Container Store has hinged storage boxes in various sizes (whatever they are made of is translucent and doesn't crack) as well as drawstring cotton bags. I've used them for various games in the past.
 
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ToddlerTN wrote:
Just wanted to mention that as an alternative, The Container Store has hinged storage boxes in various sizes (whatever they are made of is translucent and doesn't crack) as well as drawstring cotton bags. I've used them for various games in the past.
Now that you mention it, I am sure the school supply section of any major department store would have some options too.
 
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I'm looking for future storage ideas for the ...town ain't... game and the pouches do look really cool. However, I prefer stackable boxes and the plastic card style would be neat for see thru look and easy printing of a custom front facing logo card.

However, I think I will likely go with a plain cardboard box and either simply use a label maker or possibly design a print and glue wrapper for the top box.

I also think we may be jumping the gun here on storage since we don't really know the EXACT size or thickness of the tiles (although we assume Carcassonne). The actual thickness of the tiles will have a huge impact on ability to stuff 2 sets in a single box as well (I plan to have a double sized set at home and give away a few single size sets). Also, as new components get added there is added unknowns, especially with the new scoring board as no indication on size is provided there.

List of expansion items so far
$30,000 - Miner 49'er - 4 tokens?
$22,500 - Hired Guns - 4 tokens
$15,000 - Scoreboard
$10,000 - Stinkin' Badges - 4 tokens

Size: 3.5"X3.5"X1" 6/Pkg | Color: White
In theory, this should work to place 4x4 tiles using the 1.75 dimensions, but only if they run on the slightly smaller side.
http://smile.amazon.com/Darice-2-Inch-8-Inch-Jewelry-Filler/...

Size: 8"X2.125"X.875" 6/Pkg | Color: White
Something like this would definitely work as it would go plenty past 4 wide and leave room in the other direction. Depending on the size of the scoreboard and if it folds or not, this may be the ideal option.
http://smile.amazon.com/Darice-8-Inch-6-Inch-Jewelry-Filler/...


Size: 5.25"3.75"X1" 10/Pkg | Color: Craft Brown
This one could easily handle 4x4 packing, plus room on the end for the tokens and folded instructions.
http://smile.amazon.com/Cotton-Filled-Kraft-Jewelry-Retail/d...

If others are interested in this we can pool ideas and share printing files for DIY printed boxes. Most of these items above are multi-packs so you would then have extras for all your other games as well.

That new Province game on Kickstarter from Laboratory is currently planned at 3.4" x 3.625" and stated to fit in a 4x4 bag. Depending on how that goes it would also fit in that last option as well.
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rpusch wrote:
here are some links to amazon listings for the boxes i suggested, they come in all kinds of sizes from 15-cards to 100-cards or more.

25ct - (set of 6 for about $7) - http://smile.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-25ct-Snap-Hinged/dp/B00AD8...

35ct (set of 8 for about $12) http://smile.amazon.com/Crystal-Hinged-Plastic-Trading-Stora...

Those are both hinged boxes, that can be a bit fragile in the hinge but are probably still the route I am going to go.

Here is a 2-piece nesting-style box that comes in similar sizes, There really aren't any parts to break on these, but they are generally 2-3x more expensive per unit (although if you are looking to only get 1 or 2, overall cost might be the same or less than a multi-pack of the hinged kinds)
http://smile.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-25count-2-Piece-Plastic/dp...


Also, please note that the size of these *might* or might not fit most card games (might be just a bit too small). I'll try to remember to report back when the micro games start rolling out.

I can report that neither the Dungeon roll cards nor the DR rule book fit in the hinged case I have (it is probably the 25 or 35 count one, but I am not certain which). The case, does however fit inside the Dungeon Roll box, so I put my xp coins in it so keep from having them mixed up with the treasures. Interestingly, the cards in the Crash Games microgame "Where For Art Thou Romeo" *DO* fit, with room to spare.

Guessing that TMG is more likely to keep its cards the same size across games (any TMG folks care to chime in on this), the hinged boxes (and therefore likely also the 2-piece boxes) might not work for the card based micro games, but they still might work for games like Burgoo and This Town Aint....


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I found the 50-ct 2-piece case I knew I had around.

As I suspected, the "bottom/inside" side of the case does not fit the DR cards (it is the same dimensions as the hinged case). Since the two pieces nest together, the other piece is slightly larger. If you wanted to use the "top/outside" piece as a tray, they do fit. That would essentially defeat the storage purpose, but maybe someone else might have an idea utilizine it.

I keep forgetting to email MM to ask for the card dimensions of the microgames cards, and if they are standard across the TMG microgames. Missing that, I figured I would test some other games with cards for fit:

Will not fit in the baseball card cases:
Dungeon Roll
7-Wonders

Will fit in the baseball card cases, generally fit nicely, don't move around much:
Guillotine
Where For Art Thou Romeo
Lords of Water Deep
Agricola


Small cards, slide around a lot in the case:
Munchkin
Race for the Galaxy
Ticket to Ride


Anyway, so some/most games with cards fit, but the only TMG game I tested didn't. I just got my ED copies this week, but haven't opened them yet.....
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For the This Town Ain't Big Enough for the 2-4 of Us game, one of the creators posted this on the comments page of the Kickstarter campaign. I'm really hoping they get to be the perfect size to fit in that 4x4 box perfectly. I'm going to wait though before planning too far ahead.

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@Todd - The tiles are close to 1.75 inches just like a Carcasonne tile. We liked the size of Carc tiles, so we have gone with that but might need to adjust down in size a little bit to fit onto 2 punchboards and into an envelope.
 
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rpusch wrote:
here are some links to amazon listings for the boxes i suggested, they come in all kinds of sizes from 15-cards to 100-cards or more.

25ct - (set of 6 for about $7) - http://smile.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-25ct-Snap-Hinged/dp/B00AD8...

35ct (set of 8 for about $12) http://smile.amazon.com/Crystal-Hinged-Plastic-Trading-Stora...

Those are both hinged boxes, that can be a bit fragile in the hinge but are probably still the route I am going to go.

Here is a 2-piece nesting-style box that comes in similar sizes, There really aren't any parts to break on these, but they are generally 2-3x more expensive per unit (although if you are looking to only get 1 or 2, overall cost might be the same or less than a multi-pack of the hinged kinds)
http://smile.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-25count-2-Piece-Plastic/dp...


Also, please note that the size of these *might* or might not fit most card games (might be just a bit too small). I'll try to remember to report back when the micro games start rolling out.

I can report that neither the Dungeon roll cards nor the DR rule book fit in the hinged case I have (it is probably the 25 or 35 count one, but I am not certain which). The case, does however fit inside the Dungeon Roll box, so I put my xp coins in it so keep from having them mixed up with the treasures. Interestingly, the cards in the Crash Games microgame "Where For Art Thou Romeo" *DO* fit, with room to spare.

Guessing that TMG is more likely to keep its cards the same size across games (any TMG folks care to chime in on this), the hinged boxes (and therefore likely also the 2-piece boxes) might not work for the card based micro games, but they still might work for games like Burgoo and This Town Aint....


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I found the 50-ct 2-piece case I knew I had around.

As I suspected, the "bottom/inside" side of the case does not fit the DR cards (it is the same dimensions as the hinged case). Since the two pieces nest together, the other piece is slightly larger. If you wanted to use the "top/outside" piece as a tray, they do fit. That would essentially defeat the storage purpose, but maybe someone else might have an idea utilizine it.

I keep forgetting to email MM to ask for the card dimensions of the microgames cards, and if they are standard across the TMG microgames. Missing that, I figured I would test some other games with cards for fit:

Will not fit in the baseball card cases:
Dungeon Roll
7-Wonders

Will fit in the baseball card cases, generally fit nicely, don't move around much:
Guillotine
Where For Art Thou Romeo
Lords of Water Deep
Agricola


Small cards, slide around a lot in the case:
Munchkin
Race for the Galaxy
Ticket to Ride


Anyway, so some/most games with cards fit, but the only TMG game I tested didn't. I just got my ED copies this week, but haven't opened them yet.....

Based on Daniel's Templar Intrigue update today that the Templar Intrigue cards would be standard playing card size, I tested every deck of cards I could find in the baseball card holders I have. Every deck I tried fit. I tested probably about 12 different styles/types of cards including Copac poker cards, formerly used casino decks, bridge sets, bicycle brand cards, canasta cards, even Uno, Fluxx and Phase 10. Every set fit, some with more space/wiggle (usually more variation side-to-side rather than up/down), but none seemed to be a fit so tight as to be a concern.

For those who would rather have a hard case that you can just put a sticker on, it looks like the baseball cases are probably going to work, but I make no guarantees.
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I just want to ask...

Who created those baggies...I mean, who did the GREAT job making baggies look like 'originals' created by publisher itself.

I've just received two baggies and they look beautiful.

I want to thank you for them.

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Rudy, thanks very much. I took the art from the Kickstarter pages and graphics and built the files from what I could find. Adam MacIver is the designer and artist for Coin Age and Rob Lundy did the art for Templar Intrugue, Burgoo, and This Town Ain't Big Enough for the 2-4 of Us. I haven't received mine yet, but I am looking forward to it.
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