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Here's a much cheaper option!

https://www.nobleknight.com/P/2147746741?utm_source=boardgam...

But wow I had no idea either. I got mine in a math trade, it hasn't seen enough plays though.
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The World War 2 Museum in New Orleans used to sell the base game. No idea if they still do.
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The BGG marketplace and eBay have Memoir 44 for much cheaper than Amazon. Third party sellers on Amazon often like to ask for way too much for out of print games.
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$ 140 on Amazon for Memoir44?!?

And I like Commands & Colors: Ancients even better. Own both. I must admit I've played M'44 with my son (I think: then 10 or so) and CC:A still not (he's now 13)
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The World War 2 Museum in New Orleans used to sell the base game. No idea if they still do.


Rudy, road trip?

Road trip.

I'll come pick you up on the way. You head for the museum, I'm going for the beignets.
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Rudy, road trip?

Road trip.

I'll come pick you up on the way. You head for the museum, I'm going for the beignets.

Deal. Just give me a call 5 minutes before you arrive. No need to do any further planning/coordinating than that.
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Actually, Pat. I will be up in Elmira, NY in a couple of weeks on business. A visit probably wouldn't work out but I will be 1h50m from Marcellus instead of the usual 4 hours.
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tickmanfan wrote:
IceFire1424 wrote:
Rudy, road trip?

Road trip.

I'll come pick you up on the way. You head for the museum, I'm going for the beignets.

Deal. Just give me a call 5 minutes before you arrive. No need to do any further planning/coordinating than that.


Oh man, I miss those days.

That right there perfectly describes the difference between Pat from 15 years ago vs. Pat from today. Back then, that scenario was an actual possibility. Nowadays if I want to play a video game with someone it almost requires a month of planning, and there's STILL a chance I won't be able to make it. Arg.

...and today in the board game appreciation thread, we're witnessing a 30 something from NY apparently suffering a crisis of sorts...lol.
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No problem, Pat, it's okay. We all like to pretend on here that video games is the priority, or board games, or whatever. It's not and that's correct, when you've got a little one and a house to run.
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IceFire1424 wrote:
Spirit of 70 wrote:
The World War 2 Museum in New Orleans used to sell the base game. No idea if they still do.


Rudy, road trip?

Road trip.

I'll come pick you up on the way. You head for the museum, I'm going for the beignets.

So your plan for New Orleans is... beignets and the jets?

I'll see myself out.
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Jythier wrote:
No problem, Pat, it's okay. We all like to pretend on here that video games is the priority, or board games, or whatever. It's not and that's correct, when you've got a little one and a house to run.


It is, but I see this as increasingly frustrating. I know it's a silly think and a luxury problem to the point of ridiculous, and yeah… I know that I'm rather alone, maybe, but I'm really a Homo Ludicus – I want innocent play, worthless games and to spend time with something that does NOT earn me money, NOT build me a house and NOT advance me for the future. I'm sort of tired of having to spend the majority of my daily hours being… effective. Or useful.

I guess I'm a child of my time, and I have the luxury and space to actually think that games and play should be the center of being, and everything else is there as a disturbance. But as the years have gone by, though I do have friends who still play as I do, and who live a life where planning a board game night can be done 4 days in advance, I see that we are fewer and fewer, and one by one old friends drop off into instead caring for the summer house, or spending increasing time at work. Family takes time, we all know. But I… I kind of get this slight panic over that life and society half expects me to stop playing.
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It is, but I see this as increasingly frustrating. I know it's a silly think and a luxury problem to the point of ridiculous, and yeah… I know that I'm rather alone, maybe, but I'm really a Homo Ludicus – I want innocent play, worthless games and to spend time with something that does NOT earn me money, NOT build me a house and NOT advance me for the future. I'm sort of tired of having to spend the majority of my daily hours being… effective. Or useful.

I guess I'm a child of my time, and I have the luxury and space to actually think that games and play should be the center of being, and everything else is there as a disturbance. But as the years have gone by, though I do have friends who still play as I do, and who live a life where planning a board game night can be done 4 days in advance, I see that we are fewer and fewer, and one by one old friends drop off into instead caring for the summer house, or spending increasing time at work. Family takes time, we all know. But I… I kind of get this slight panic over that life and society half expects me to stop playing.


Simon, I am with you 100%. Especially as a freelancer with no real barrier between my working time and leisure time, it's easy to fall into the trap of viewing "non-productive" time as "wasted". We have this sense that we "ought" to be productive at all times, that every waking moment should be spent earning money or paving the way for our future, and any time spent on pure enjoyment should be secondary, when of course it's precisely the inverse; the main attraction of making money and setting up a future where our life can continue is the presumption that some enjoyment can be obtained in said future. I'm always reminded of the story of the millionaire and the fisherman, and think reclaiming some of your time for yourself is a fine thing. (Off to my weekly boardgaming group tonight to spend the whole evening just playing games!)

I can also recommend to you this book:

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I'm lucky I have a 9-5 job (actually more like 8-3) and I don't have to think about it while I'm home. Since I am since I am pretty free at home. Just had a very nice unstructured weekend where I did some chores then played a ton of Dragon Age Inquisition. Spent time with friends on Sunday. We're between sports seasons for my kids too so no kids sports to attend. Nice. Soccer and netball start soon though which takes a chunk of Saturday. Reminds me of a FB article I saw recently which suggested that introverts so all their socialising and activities during the week and then take a break in the weekends.

Now just need to corral my boardgaming buddies for a get-together.
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This weekend I played a fun 2-player game called Gunfighter. It's available as PNP currently, so I downloaded the game, printed it out, and then played 5 games with mom.

It's a deck of 54 cards, so I just sleeved the printouts along with a regular deck of cards to give it some thickness so that it can be shuffled easily.

There are three stats in the game: health, bullets, and accuracy. You play cards one at a time to try to get enough bullets and accuracy so that you can then try to shoot and then hit your opponent. Each person only has two hit points, so it only takes shoots to kill someone.

You have to try to anticipate what your opponent is going to do, which make it a fun game of wits. There are cards to dodge shots, reload bullets, increase accuracy, and several other tricky cards. We've had a really good time with it so far.
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We have this sense that we "ought" to be productive at all times, that every waking moment should be spent earning money or paving the way for our future, and any time spent on pure enjoyment should be secondary, when of course it's precisely the inverse; the main attraction of making money and setting up a future where our life can continue is the presumption that some enjoyment can be obtained in said future. I'm always reminded of the story of the millionaire and the fisherman, and think reclaiming some of your time for yourself is a fine thing.


Exactly. In the end, the time is all I have had. I really do think – slightly ashamed – that the main idea of life is to relax, and that all the non-relaxing is there so that you can relax more in a while. But at the same time, sacrificing the now for the future is a risk – you don't know if you'll have a future, and it also seems to be a possible trap – you can ALWAYS work a bit more for the future, so tomorrow, you might aswell work for the day after tomorrow, and so you go on and on, pushing that "play time" forward until … well, you've sort of forgotten why you kept going, and just keep going because that's what you do.

And that's what is making me slightly confusedly worried. After all, if the point is to enjoy yourself and you actually extract enjoyment out of working for the future, then that's all fine. But I can't shake the feeling – and this is the source of the slight panic – that it's more a situation of the slowly boiled frog: You're gradually adapting and getting used to that play time is the exception to everything else you do, and that you should probably do something else instead.

And I don't want to forget the joy of innocent play. Not when I actually have the luxury of not being forced to. I know this is a real luxury problem, and I realize that a large part of humanity would scoff (and rightfully so) at me for wanting to have my life center around things that are not useful. But … well, I don't know … I feel as if we actually don't have to rush that much anymore, but we're doing so out of sheer inertia.

Most of the people around me, not meaning friends, but "people in general", focus on working because that's what you need to earn a living, but somehow, some way, they get gradually sucked into a circle of earning more and more, and instead of then taking more and more time off, it's the other way around: their time gets more and more sucked into that circle too. And we get used to that – we work, we get home, we eat and sleep, and then we get to work. Sure, we can chime in some entertainment, but it's never in the center.

And the zest of all is: Do we really need to? I mean, it's not like people around me are starving and need to work for their lives – no, they're getting richer and richer and buying a house in the country side, and a better car, and a new house. It's like it's earning money for the sake of earning money. Like everyone's playing Dominion with a next-to unlimited mountain of action cards of increasing effectivity, and people are so set on buying more and more gold so they can buy more and more effective cards, and I'm like "well, wasn't the point with the game to buy the very un-effective VP cards?"

I know I'm just rambling. And it's not the matter of me thinking that I've chosen the wrong path in life – I know that games and play is what I want to do. What saddens me is that I kind of feel that people slip away from it, and unnecessarily so. If someone stops playing because they seriously feel from the get-go that being effective gives them more joy, then all the power to them. But as said, I can't shake the feeling that that's not the reason for most. People slip away from games and play not mainly because they choose to, but because they're slowly sucked into the spiral of effectiveness, because "that's what we should do". And that feels quite sad. No, in fact it feels very sad.
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Apologies for the deviation I appear to have created in this thread. My fault!
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People slip away from games and play not mainly because they choose to, but because they're slowly sucked into the spiral of effectiveness, because "that's what we should do". And that feels quite sad. No, in fact it feels very sad.


My Monday morning coffee always makes me a bit thoughtful in a way that probably only serves to make me think that i am thoughtful... but with that I will say that while it can look like people are walking away from hobby or leisure for things that are considered more effective I think that it is important to think about what people are motivated by rather than simply what are they doing. The "why" matters. I'm of the mind that most people do what they do ultimately to get personal value. That is such a powerful motivator that some people spend their time justifying a lowered perception of other people's value just to make their's seem higher by comparison...

It can be very hard at times when being pulled elsewhere by outside influences to justify time spent is of value and therefore that I as a person am of value through the expense of that time. This is magnified when when the enjoyment level in that activity changes. It may not seem like it, but there is a drift in both boardgameing and videogaming as time goes on. The industry changes with tech and ideas, but very much with the market because the community of gamers changes too. Anyone who has to slow down their gaming for more than a few years can come back to a very different industry and something that felt familiar and comforting can then be very alien and frustrating. So at a point like that, some people just stick with what they found value in those last few years. And it might be something like mowing grass. So I don't believe everyone gets up and leaves the world of gaming, sometimes gaming moves away from them just enough for them to feel it and that usually registers as stress. I think the only sad thing about that is when they do want to come back to something familiar that should be easy, but in our enthusiasm for the current state of the industry/community we make them feel like they aren't interested in gaming because they haven't played the latest titles. I've been guilty of it before, so it is something I try to look out for.
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I am buying less and less new games (unless they are train games) and delving into what I already own. This makes me happy.
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